JILIN UNIVERSITY DOES NOT PAY ITS FOREIGN TEACHERS !
Updated Sep 2019 to remove name of individual who kindly requested their name be removed, as this happened 12 years ago .
This is my final post about this problem, I hope others can learn from this and perhaps it will help them in the future.
This post is a return to the previous jida problem I wrote about in July. I’d almost forgotten about this, until this morning received an email from a Mr Redacted asking why the school had not yet received any marks from the final exam I gave to my students. Of course the reasons for this are axiomatic – those marks are the only quid p
ro quo I have left.
Am I being un-professional by holding them back? Perhaps but this is my only option. My hand has been forced.
It has crossed my mind just giving in and handing over the marks but this would undermine my position as I have others still persuing them through ‘legal’ means. I feel a little sorry for the students who are caught in the middle of this, they are though, used to such problems happening, it’s just one of the many unfair aspects to the education system in Changchun.
I don’t want to seem to be complaining all the time about things and I wasn’t going to say any more about this on my blog, until I got the email. I now feel compelled to put this here to set the record straight, as no-doubt, the university will say all sorts of poisonous lies in an attempt to discredit me. As I am no longer in Changchun I have nothing to fear by writing the names of those invloved and exactly what they said to me.
I have been discreet up to now, not using names, being vague In the hope that things could be setteled without any loss of ‘face’ on their part. This isn’t going to happen now.
In my previous post I wrote about 2 people at Jida who threatened me with withdrawing money from my bank account ‘a back transfer’ to use their exact words as well as other things.
There’s nothing like a bit of naming and shaming so –
These two people are:
姓 名：张广翠 zhang guangcui
职 务：副处长 vice director
办公电话： 85166576
E-mail：gczhang@jlu.edu.cn 工作职责：
分管外国专家和港澳台事务工作 – manages foreign experts general affairs
or find her picture here
and
姓 名：赵勇 zhao yong – this ironically means brave. haha
职 务：项目官员 project officer
办公电话： 85166567
E-mail：zhaoyong@jlu.edu.cn 工作职责：
负责长期外国（境外）专家项目；相关专家的接待与安排。- don’t make me laugh!
or find her picture here
I now know this technically cannot be done but It was a clear threat made to make me go away and give up chasing the money. The university only owes me 2 months salary, not very much money in the scheme of things but they did this to all the foreign teachers and so you can understand we’re now talking about hundreds of thousands of yuan, which is a lot of money in any country, especially so here.
Reputation and face counts for so much to these people, I just hope that everybody that reads this understands that I am doing this because others need to know about what really goes on. Many international universities have partnership programmes and do business through the department of International Co-operation, I hope people can read this and see how they really treat their foreign employees. Do I have an axe to grind? I don’t think so, I’m back in the UK doing new things. I just want others to be informed of this, It is too bad to go unnoticed. From a dodgy company I would expect this, but from Jilin University you do not. After all, they are ‘one of the best universities in China.’
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A problem with a big university like Jida is nobody communicates between departments, nobody really knows what’s going on. So a Mr Redacted, whom I have no grudge with whatsoever, isn’t (or claims to be) unaware of what has been happening, wrote this email I just recieved:
Here’s the email with my responses indented:
Dear David,
It’s nice to get your reply. I am glad that I can contact you by email .
First of all, the students taught by you think they have learned a lot in your classes and they really regard you as a responsible and competent teacher.
Thank you. I also have learned a lot and the students were wonderful, so many great experiences in class. I shall miss the classroom and teaching aspect of things at Jida. The students were a pleasure to teach.
They are longing for the results of the final exams which they have prepared for carefully and diligently for a period of time.
The students know their results, just I haven’t given them to the school yet. You already know why.
Secondly,to be honest, I don’t know what has happened between you and Jilin University Department for International Co-operation regarding salary.
Sorry, I don’t believe you.
But no matter what the problem is, it is your students rather than Jilin University Department for International Co-operation the that care about the exam results
10/10 for honesty. You heard it from the horse’s mouth – ‘it is your students rather than Jilin University Department for International Co-operation that care about the exam results.’
So Jilin University doesn’t care about it’s students exam results. hmmm where have I heard that before! Money is everything for them. Such greedy, selfish people.
Your refusal of my request for the exam results can not help solving the problem regarding salary at all, and it can only lead to the cancellation of the subject you taught last semester and all the students will not get the results of the subject at last.
And that says it all. The students mean nothing to the university when they are prepared to ‘cancel’ a semester’s worth of classes for the sake of pocketing an extra buck. Or maybe they are more afraid of losing face by admitting they have in effect stolen money that should have been given into teachers salaries?
It is a waste of time for all the students, and as a teacher myself, I think it is unfair to all the innocent students indeed.
Your university started this! I worked hard, never had any complaints, the students liked me, never turned up late for work – and you say its unfair. This is a twisted response from a morally bankrupt university that brings shame upon honest hard working teachers. You say you are a ‘teacher’, how would you react if I took 2 months salary from your bank account?
So, for the benefit of these innocent students, would you please send me the marks for the students final exams?
Another twisted argument, trying to blackmail me. Remember, I worked, did nothing wrong. You did not pay. End of argument.
And all the students will appreciate your kindness.
Best wishes.
Sincerely Yours
Redacted
This chap is the position redacted Medical School Education Department, obviously somebody has leant on him to write this as I’ve never heard from him before. Never even saw him before. Don’t know who is is.
Like I have said before, teaching in China is massively rewarding and a really great thing with which to pick up new ideas on life. At times it’s simply brilliant. So much fun.
What annoys me is I did my research with this position at Jida, I checked everything- left no stone unturned.
The contract is unambigious, yet, I still got cheated. I tried to reason, but failed. They were not willing to listen.
I guess they point I’m trying to make is: Regardless of where you work, regardless of the reputation of the university, regardless of what the contract unambigiously says – You can be screwed, nothing can help you.
Just go into contracts with the impression that you will be cheated at some point, then perhaps this will not come as a surprise. It is sad, but the only logical answer I can think of!
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Hi David,
Very interesting, I am going to visit the university in Changchun shortly and was searching for info about the place and found your blog. I will be trying to sell some equipment to them and will definitely ask for a letter of credit type payment for it…
Cheers and good luck!
Peter
In my experience the best way to get what you want in China, particularly with a boss, is not confrontation as such. Unfortunately it only hardens their stance and puts you into an impossible situation. If you really want to get your money you have to give them an out so that it looks like they are not caving in. For example, you can say something like “as per our contract I would be happy to hand in my grades to complete my work in exchange for the remaining part of my salary. I understand that one is contingent on the other.” Not sure if that specifically would work.
The other thing you can do is speak to the head of the department in charge of payment and say something like “I’m very glad that we are able to work this out without having to discuss this with the university president.” Probably phrasing this a little more ambiguously would help, but they’ll get it, and they won’t want to bring in the boss.
Just my thoughts.
Josh
I agree with you completley about not being confrontational, it is almost always not a good way to go about getting what you want in China.
The problem is that I suspect the uni is rotten to the core, certainly up to very senior levels and as such, I doubt mentioning the president would work.
I did mention in directly that it would be a shame for the TV station and my other people at the government to find out about this, and that was what initially made them find the time to meet with me. Previously the wouldn’t even acknowldege the problem existed!
Anyway, the problem probably won’t be resolved and that’s why I’ve written about it on here!
I agree with you completley about not being confrontational, it is almost always not a good way to go about getting what you want in China.
The problem is that I suspect the uni is rotten to the core, certainly up to very senior levels and as such, I doubt mentioning the president would work.
I did mention in directly that it would be a shame for the TV station and my other people at the government to find out about this, and that was what initially made them find the time to meet with me. Previously the wouldn’t even acknowldege the problem existed!
Anyway, the problem probably won’t be resolved and that’s why I’ve written about it on here!
Oh my god. JILIN Uni is a big uni in China. If the above statement is ture, it would be really sorry to think that how it could educate and cultivate students enrolled.
Why not asking help from local foreign affair office? Would it help?
Oh my god. JILIN Uni is a big uni in China. If the above statement is ture, it would be really sorry to think that how it could educate and cultivate students enrolled.
Why not asking help from local foreign affair office? Would it help?
So it’s true, Jilin University ran out of money…
So it’s true, Jilin University ran out of money…
😯 🙄 Being here in Changchun myself I would have to say that Jilin University has received many complaints about its management. Everybody knows how corrupt any management can be anyway. Two month’s salary is quite a bit either way if you consider the time and effort it took you to prepare the teaching material, getting up to go to work, hell, it’s something you worked for and I completely am on your side where not wanting to handover the students’ grades are concerned… you’re right, that’s the only leverage you have.
Great blog, you’re lucky to be home. 😉
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i’m from China and i’ve no idea that Jilin Uni is a top uni in China. You might be getting the wrong idea from the beginning. 😕 It might be a good one in the region but definitely not in whole of China!
anyway, you’re now in your hometown, and good luck for your future job 😉
Oh it certainly is one of the top unis all over china. Top 10 according to the government league-tables – not that those mean much! 🙂
Oh it certainly is one of the top unis all over china. Top 10 according to the government league-tables – not that those mean much! 🙂
I have to say you don’t understand Jilin University totally. It is the one of Top 10 universities of China.
So, Why don’t you tell us sth about you? I’m sure you are a swindler!
You just bespatter this university because you do not like it. Maybe you have no chance to study in it. Maybe a girl of JLU refused you.
You are a person could just complain.
You are a person just hate JLU.
You want to cheat the person who visit this page!!! ❗ 😡
your english clearly isn’t good enough to be able to understand what I have written.
If you actually understood what I said then you would realise that all of the comments you have made make no sense whatsoever.
I suggest you re-double your english studies before passing judgment on something you clearly do not understand. When you can do this and not run my site through a translating website, I will be happy to hear what you have to say.
your english clearly isn’t good enough to be able to understand what I have written.
If you actually understood what I said then you would realise that all of the comments you have made make no sense whatsoever.
I suggest you re-double your english studies before passing judgment on something you clearly do not understand. When you can do this and not run my site through a translating website, I will be happy to hear what you have to say.
i totally agree with you david..
i am an international student studying medicine in jilin university.
and i am also acquainted with redacted .
he is really a very arrogant person. he doesnt listen to students complain and any such student advice or suggestions just go down the drain. he controls our syllabus ,, and thanks to him we are being taught subjects in a disorderly fashion.. even exams are not scheduled properly.once we had 9 exams on 9 continuous straight days in winter .it really took a toll on us.
they act very irresponsible at times.. once we had an american teacher for a semester. and they wouldnt let her teach us the next semester because they could not pay her.. how selfish on their behalf to not think about how good the teacher can help the students . instead they just told her she could not teach again. we missed an opportunity to gain from that teachers knowledge. in all jida has many problems , even though it is one of the best universities in china… i think it should work better for this else its reputation will be tarred..
yo yo sup dude!
sad to hear ur problem m8, but dont worry thats experience that past through your life.
but i will be honest with you dude… from reading your blog i psyclogically found you abit rude guy, and plus you havent mentioned whats the problem that made jilin unviesity not pay your 2 months salary , im sure i read the jilin universtiy side they will give me good clues and reasons for them doing that.
any ways im going to study in jilin university and i will prepare medicine, and im soo excited about that , many students there are pushing me to join them telling me that they love the university.
jilin university is one of the top 10 universities in china and if no one beleives the go to google and type china universites ranking 2009
Take care
bye
yo yo sup dude!
sad to hear ur problem m8, but dont worry thats experience that past through your life.
but i will be honest with you dude… from reading your blog i psyclogically found you abit rude guy, and plus you havent mentioned whats the problem that made jilin unviesity not pay your 2 months salary , im sure i read the jilin universtiy side they will give me good clues and reasons for them doing that.
any ways im going to study in jilin university and i will prepare medicine, and im soo excited about that , many students there are pushing me to join them telling me that they love the university.
jilin university is one of the top 10 universities in china and if no one beleives the go to google and type china universites ranking 2009
Take care
bye
@new student in jilin
Well good luck with your studies but I have to say if you can’t find the reason why I didn’t get paid then I suggest you either re-read the article or work on your English level as it’s pretty damn obvious why I should have bee paid!
As I said before, just because it’s top 10 in China does not mean it is particularly good if compared to similar universities abroad.
DC
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